Psychscribe Quote #20

“There is no birth of consciousness without pain.” Carl Jung

(Fittingly enough after previous entry!)


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13 Responses to “Psychscribe Quote #20”

  1. amberfireinus Says:

    You know, I don’t care for Carl Jung’s philosophy or approach to therapy. Person centered therapy to my mind is not helpful in most cases (I am actually certified in this method, and chose not to practice because I really felt that it was worthless).

    I do agree with this statement however. Simply, no pain, no gain I guess…

  2. psychscribe Says:

    Wait…how did I miss this? You’re a therapist????

  3. amberfireinus Says:

    Well, I am a certified councelor. A Person Centered Councelor to be accurate. I found the method to be useless so I didn’t choose to practice. I got the certification in England… so not worth a darn thing in the US.

  4. amberfireinus Says:

    I actually have studied many disciplines of psychology. I just don’t have my formal qualifications here in the United States. My specialist subjects are Bi-Polar/OCD.

  5. psychscribe Says:

    Well no wonder we connect so well….you certainly use your studies in your perceptions and feelings about life, don’t you?
    Re: Carl Jung I have not formally studied his work, I just like his kick ass quotes!

  6. amberfireinus Says:

    Carl Jung believes in self actualization. He believes that a therapist should act only as a parrot and through the patient hearing his or her own words spoken back to them that they will come to understanding of their issues. No guidance is to be given. It works in maybe 5% of cases? Most people need to be lead and pushed to reach the answers they need for healing. Otherwise they spend tons in time in therapy achieving basically nothing. Spouting the same things each week…. just to say it. Whats the point. For the therapist to get money?

  7. giannakali Says:

    I love Jung. I don’t think his work is appropriate for the vast majority of people, but when it is appropriate it’s awesome.

    I have clinical experience too, but as a social worker and have never practiced a specific modality in exclusion of others. I do not consider myself a therapist but have studied much psychology.

    Right now Jung is rocking my world. It’s a return to a love I developed in college. (20 years ago)

  8. giannakali Says:

    I disagree. Jung certainly does not expect the analyst to be a parrot. It is a deep mutual dialog that develops. Interpretations are made. A parrot cannot do that. Jung is one of the greatest thinkers of our time and his work with patients was anything but superficial.

  9. leafless Says:

    Jung was more of a recluse. His philosophy is hard to grasp and does not work well in practice.

  10. amberfireinus Says:

    giannakali. Jung specifically teaches that the therapist does not guide. The patient is to self actualize. So, the only thing the therapist does is to rephrase what has been said to them in a way that hopefully will spark understanding. Hearing it back, and saying it out loud is supposed to give relief. I personally don’t find that method effective in treatment for MOST patients. Therefore it was my personal decision not to practice.

    I don’t care for this type of therapy. I feel that there are far more effective and expedient forms of therapy out there. But of course each patient has different needs. It is interesting to have many disciplines and understandings.

  11. giannakali Says:

    I’m sorry that is neither the way I read Jung nor the way I’ve seen it practiced.

  12. giannakali Says:

    oh, but I do agree it’s not appropriate therapy for many people.

  13. Tatiana Says:


    I think you’ve confused Carl Jung with Carl Rogers. There is nothing superficial about Jungian psychology.

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